TRT Podcast #111: My response to Jan Richardson & Michele Dufresne, Part 3
111: Jan Richardson is still defending three-cueing. Here’s my response.
Please note: Jan Richardson kindly sent a written response to this series, and I’ve responded to her points in this pdf. I appreciate that she’s open to a conversation!
Full episode transcript
This episode is in response to:
- Getting the Facts Straight on Guided Reading, with Jan Richardson & Michele Dufresne
Research
- The Simple View of Reading, by Wesley Hoover & Philip Gough
- Orthographic Mapping in the Acquisition of Sight Word Reading, Spelling Memory, and Vocabulary Learning, by Linnea Ehri
- Systematic Phonics Instruction Helps Children Learn to Read: Evidence from the National Reading Panel’s Meta-Analysis, by Linnea Ehri, Simon Nunes, Steven Stahl, & Dale Willows
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Jan Richardson
Dear Annie,
I just listened to your podcasts #109-111. You’re an awesome speaker with a captivating voice. You and I obviously share a passion for teaching reading — and for doing it correctly. Like you, I don’t have a hidden agenda. I just want to do what’s best for the kids.
There are so many areas where we agree (definition of the Science of Reading, SOR media vs SOR research, my definition of guided reading, using challenging texts, differentiated instruction, providing explicit, systematic phonics instruction, using decodable texts at a developmental window, etc., etc.). From your podcast it appears we might disagree in a few areas (Reading Recovery, for instance), but I believe we can find common ground in those areas as well. I’m working on a paper that addresses the points you made in your podcast. I’d be happy to share that with you when it’s finished.
Thank you for your kind words about my guided reading book. I do have one small favor to ask: I’d really appreciate it if you would include the page numbers when you quote my book. I like people to be able to read my thoughts in context. By the way, I wrote the book eight years ago. I have updated a few of my word study procedures on my website, and I’m working on a revision to the book. As the body of reading research evolves, we need to adjust our thinking.
I live in southwest Wisconsin. If you’re ever in my neck of the woods, please let me know. It would be wonderful to meet you and treat you to lunch sometime.
Warm regards,
Jan
Anna Geiger
Jan,
Thank you so much for your very kind response! I went back and added page numbers to the transcripts for these episodes; thank you for that reminder. I would be very interested in your paper when it’s written! I think that the two biggest differences in our beliefs about reading come down to orthographic mapping and three-cueing, because our understanding about those two things drives what kind of texts we use with beginning readers. I’d be interested in your response to this podcast episode that I recorded about what’s wrong with three-cueing: https://www.themeasuredmom.com/whats-wrong-with-three-cueing/